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- Fri 23 Sep, 2011 1:23 pm
Post subject: Quran Vs Hadith Debate

1AQEEDA on YouTube offered his channel so that LoveforAllaahx and I could debate. Her arguments were always air and have since blown away, so after some dialogue 1AQEEDA says my views are wrong.

I challenged him to a debate on my YT page (MesMorial) but I will post it progressively here (since he claims knowledge and has something to lose).

It has only just begun, and I will add more.

P.S. The argument about 17:46 is irrelevant since I only wanted him to say whether the order of Arabic words said "Quran alone" or not.

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ROUND 1

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you want them to accept your false understanding of arabic quranic verses while you admit you dont know arabic subhanallah! this is rich indeed~~~ and then you want to challange me LOL!
here is a challange for you to yourself scince you are a self leanred and dont need anybody to teach you, you can challange yourself and see if you can come up with an answer and beat yourself with false knowledge and lies~~~~surat ikhlas 112~~when and where was this surah revealed and who was it for which people? and please bring your proof from QURAN ALONE I WANT TO SEE VERSES~~ post it on any channel i accept.

The Qur'an is a Book of moral and spiritual guidance (e.g. 7:52, 17:9), similitudes/examples (e.g. 3:61, 17:89, 66:1-5), narratives (e.g. 12:3), parables (e.g. 14:24) and real-time Revelations (e.g. 9:5, 33:59). All of these attributes contribute to the guiding quality of its Message.

All Revelation permanent to its addresses is included (e.g. 33:50). Where required, context is provided by the Qur'an itself. Sura 112 is an emphasis on the oneness of Allah. It is something we can recite in prayer and it is an applicable Message to all people.

Not all verses in the Qur'an are instructive. They may be non-instructive and apply to all (even for the sake of some), because Allah repeats ayat:

"Thus do We repeat/diversify the communications for a people who give thanks." (7:58 )

Also, not everything revealed applies to everyone for all times and places. Specific instructions were given to the Prophet (33:50), for example. All permanent law-binding Revelation addressed to everyone is in the Qur'an. This is consistent with the purpose of the Qur'an, and such a view has to be challenged by my opponent.

Sura 112 may have been revealed to particular people, but it is something applicable to everyone. The message of Allah's oneness is being repeated/presented in a different way. The Qur'an is guidance, and whatever it says will not contradict its Message or its purpose. Not every verse is a part of the instruction, but the Message is in the Qur'an. If we follow the instructions and take heed of the instructive and non-instructive wisdom, that is all we need to do to be Muslim.

I ask 1AQEEDA to provide proof that we must know the situation at the time of the Revelation (when it is not given in the Qur'an).

- Fri 23 Sep, 2011 2:49 pm
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1AQEEDA now claims that he never accepted a debate.

Here is a portion of the conversation:

"Are you going to debate or are you not? A simple yes or no is all that is required. That will be the end, because I have answered my opponent's questions and thus it is over.

Cheers;
Peace."

His immediate reply was shown in the prior post. It ends with "I accept", beginning the debate with his challenge.

Apologies for that. I will post some other things to make it up, soon.

Take care;
Salam.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Tafsir/112.html

- Sat 24 Sep, 2011 8:54 am
Post subject: Re: Quran Vs Hadith Debate

Salam brother Minhaj

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This is just total crap man, you should tel that punk that there are so many non arabic speaking Muslims who understand the Quran far better than Arabic speaking Muslims

It is always their lame excuse to flee

Cheers