LOL, ironically I expected this question and was going to reply to it in advance but said to myself, let me see if someone can come with it, so I won?????????????????????¢??t consider it a dumb question at all
Let me try to work out what you want to say:
-> The verse used the following words كُلِي مِن كُلِّ الثَّمَرَاتِ , Kuli Min Kul Al Thamarat, i.e. eat of all the produce, so what you may have wrongly understood that the verse says ALL TYPES of Thamarat, this is not the case at all, the word Kul generally implies as such and for those who lack Arabic, they will always consider it as such, in Arabic we may use it to refer to a sub group of a group, for example, if some one whom I hired to wash 7 cars that I have and that person looked at the cars and asked me which car to wash, I will tell Kul Al Arabiat, i.e. All the cars, that does not mean all the cars on the planet of course.
-> You would have had a valid argument if the Quran said it as such : كُلِي مِن ثمرات كل شيء , Kuli Min Thamrat Kul Shai, i.e. eat of the produce of all things, as you can see in the above made up sentence by myself, the word Kul is now referring to Shai, Thing not to Thamarat, i.e. EVERY THING THAT PRODUCE THAMRAT, but surely the verse didn?????????????????????¢??t word it as such, therefore it can be referring to a sub group of Al Thamarat which the bees can use as a source of food in vicinity where they settle, some may collect their food from all the Thamarat available in their vicinity while others may be collecting their food from a totally different Thamarat that are available in their vicinity
Let me now show an example of how the Quran used the words : ثمرات كل شيء , Thamrat Kul Shai, i.e. the produce of all things, I will bring Yusuf Ali translation and Picthal to show how both contradict their own selves:
YUSUFALI: They say: "If we were to follow the guidance with thee, we should be snatched away from our land." Have We not established for them a secure sanctuary, to which are brought as tribute fruits of all kinds,- a provision from Ourselves? but most of them understand not.
PICKTHAL: And they say: If we were to follow the Guidance with thee we should be torn out of our land. Have We not established for them a sure sanctuary, whereunto the produce of all things is brought (in trade), a provision from Our presence? But most of them know not.
[The Quran ; 28:57]
وَقَالُوا إِن نَّتَّبِعِ الْهُدَى مَعَكَ نُتَخَطَّفْ مِنْ أَرْضِنَا أَوَلَمْ نُمَكِّن لَّهُمْ حَرَمًا آمِنًا يُجْبَى إِلَيْهِ ثَمَرَاتُ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ رِزْقًا مِن لَّدُنَّا وَلَكِنَّ أَكْثَرَهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ (57)
-> Firstly, see how the words about Al Thamarat were put down in the above verse يُجْبَى إِلَيْهِ ثَمَرَاتُ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ , Tugba Elaihi Thamarat Kul Shai, i.e. whereunto the produce of all things is brought, and as you can see the word I mentioned earlier ثَمَرَاتُ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ , Thamarat Kul Shai, i.e. The produce of every thing, had these words been used in 16:69 with the bees, surely you would have had a valid argument, but unfortunately the words are not used in The produce of every thing 16:69,
Let?????????????????????¢??s me now prove to you that I can expose those ignorant translators with ease , I the above verse both Yusuf Ali and Pickthal translated the word Thamarat as follow:
-> Yusuf Ali : fruits
-> Pickthal : the produce
Obviously Yusuf Ali is wrong and Pickthal is right
Now, let?????????????????????¢??s see what they have done with the same word Thamarat used in the bee verse:
YUSUFALI: Then to eat of all the produce (of the earth), and find with skill the spacious paths of its Lord: there issues from within their bodies a drink of varying colours, wherein is healing for men: verily in this is a Sign for those who give thought.
PICKTHAL: Then eat of all fruits, and follow the ways of thy Lord, made smooth (for thee). There cometh forth from their bellies a drink divers of hues, wherein is healing for mankind. Lo! herein is indeed a portent for people who reflect.
[The Quran ; 16:69]
ثُمَّ كُلِي مِن كُلِّ الثَّمَرَاتِ فَاسْلُكِي سُبُلَ رَبِّكِ ذُلُلاً يَخْرُجُ مِن بُطُونِهَا شَرَابٌ مُّخْتَلِفٌ أَلْوَانُهُ فِيهِ شِفَاء لِلنَّاسِ إِنَّ فِي ذَلِكَ لآيَةً لِّقَوْمٍ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ (69)
-> See how both ignorant translators contradicted their own selves:
-> Yusuf Ali : the produce
-> Pickthal : fruits
In this verse, Yusuf Ali is right and Pickthal is wrong
Surely because they contradicted their own selves then their translation can not be trusted as a whole
I found it very funny indeed, it is like a piece of cake for me and surely if I finish my translation inshaalalh, it will be unique
Cheers
- Mon 30 Mar, 2009 6:05 pm
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Here is another one mate:
Here is another document that I found:
Hello all
Let me let the Quran shows you what I?????????????????????¢??m talking about, I know that many kafirs will be banging their pinheads into walls seeing one of their Tom and Jerry alleged errors biting the dust.
If you remember well, this is what I said in one fo my comments:
[quote=?????????????????????¢??????????????????????AhmedBahgat]The kafir say the Quran said the Honey comes out of the Bee Bellies
I say, the Quran never mentioned Honey in the verse, it only mentioned Sharab, which means a drink, i.e. something that is liquid [/quote]
[quote=?????????????????????¢??????????????????????AhmedBahgat]I also say, the Honey is not drinkable but eatable, therefore what the Quran said can not be Honey for two reasons:
1) It never called it Honey despite the Quran used the word Honey in other verses
2) It never called that Sharab eatable, rather drinkable (from the word Sharab), as well the Quran never said who is drinking it, neither the bees nor the humans[/quote]
Let me now show you a similar sign mentioned in the Quran that clearly tells us almost the same as the case with Bee, i.e. another creature that Allah created and we drink something from its bellies, however in this case we will be informed with what drink that is, as well we will be informed that such drink is for the humans to drink it:
And most surely there is a lesson for you in the cattle; We give you to drink of what is in their bellies-- from betwixt the feces and the blood-- pure milk, easy and agreeable to swallow for those who drink.
[The Quran ; 16:66]
وَإِنَّ لَكُمْ فِي الْأَنْعَامِ لَعِبْرَةً ۖ نُسْقِيكُمْ مِمَّا فِي بُطُونِهِ مِنْ بَيْنِ فَرْثٍ وَدَمٍ لَبَنًا خَالِصًا سَائِغًا لِلشَّارِبِينَ (66)
-> See: And most surely there is a lesson for you in the cattle;, next we read that we get a drink from its bellies: We give you to drink of what is in their bellies, from betwixt faeces and blood, then the Quran tells us what is name of such drink: pure milk, then the Quran tells that this milk is going to be great for the drinkers: easy and agreeable to swallow for those who drink., i.e. the milk is for drink
Now, compare such verse in the same very sura # 16 which is only 3 verse before the bee verse # 69 and you should know what I?????????????????????¢??m talking about then you should dismiss yourself
In 16:66, Allah is telling us:
1) We get a drink from the bellies of the cattle
2) Such drink is Milk
3) Such Milk is a great drink for the drinkers
In 16:69, Allah never told us:
1) There should be a drink from the bellies of the Bees
2) Such drink was never called Honey
3) Such drink was never called great nor for the drinkers, rather something that may be used to heal humans
What a slam:
- Mon 30 Mar, 2009 9:46 pm
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