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  Topic: 5:51 Take not the Jews and Christians as Auliya
rowlandm

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PostForum: Class Discussion   Posted: Mon 18 Dec, 2006 8:28 am   Subject: 5:51 Take not the Jews and Christians as Auliya
The grant here is acceptable because it is not religiously motivated, rather it is to help education and that is a policy that apply to all

I would disagree and say it is religously motivated (fro ...
  Topic: 5:51 Take not the Jews and Christians as Auliya
rowlandm

Replies: 12
Views: 21973

PostForum: Class Discussion   Posted: Mon 18 Dec, 2006 8:22 am   Subject: 5:51 Take not the Jews and Christians as Auliya
cool stuff.

But I wanted to highlight that a "christian" is defined as someone who believes that Jesus Christ is the son of god and that if you don't believed that Jesus Christ is the son of god yo ...
  Topic: 5:51 Take not the Jews and Christians as Auliya
rowlandm

Replies: 12
Views: 21973

PostForum: Class Discussion   Posted: Sun 17 Dec, 2006 6:00 pm   Subject: 5:51 Take not the Jews and Christians as Auliya
Also, that 9:23 verse makes more sense if you take the translation as a literal helper/supporter/protector.

Your interpretation allows non-beliveing non-christian non-jewish mothers, sisters, au ...
  Topic: 5:51 Take not the Jews and Christians as Auliya
rowlandm

Replies: 12
Views: 21973

PostForum: Class Discussion   Posted: Sun 17 Dec, 2006 4:36 pm   Subject: 5:51 Take not the Jews and Christians as Auliya
Could you give me an example of that Ahmed? Sorry Slave of Allah, I didn't really understand the example.

I'm a little curious as The Arabic word "Auliya" is not interchangeable with "friend" in a ...
  Topic: 5:51 Take not the Jews and Christians as Auliya
rowlandm

Replies: 12
Views: 21973

PostForum: Class Discussion   Posted: Sun 17 Dec, 2006 12:24 pm   Subject: 5:51 Take not the Jews and Christians as Auliya
Thanks for the reply guys, sorry I've been so slack.

Now, to try and further narrow the definition of Auliya -

See verse 9:23

O you who believe! Take not for Auliya' (supporters and helpers) ...
  Topic: Disappointing website - that I found through the ABC
rowlandm

Replies: 1
Views: 8165

PostForum: Bring it on   Posted: Sun 17 Dec, 2006 12:21 pm   Subject: Disappointing website - that I found through the ABC
Now you know that I don't really get that fired up - but I must admit this particular website that I found through this ABC news online story really fired me up - and now that I have reflected on it - ...
  Topic: 5:51 Take not the Jews and Christians as Auliya
rowlandm

Replies: 12
Views: 21973

PostForum: Class Discussion   Posted: Sat 02 Dec, 2006 12:59 pm   Subject: 5:51 Take not the Jews and Christians as Auliya
I wanted to ask a few questions about this particular verse:


YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors ...
  Topic: 4:34 One aspect of husband/wife relations
rowlandm

Replies: 18
Views: 42312

PostForum: Class Discussion   Posted: Tue 28 Nov, 2006 5:34 pm   Subject: 4:34 One aspect of husband/wife relations
Sorry Ahmed,

For your reply you put down your belief on the strength of the beating - I was looking for an explicit quranic verse or sentence that could be allied to 4:34 to show what the maximum s ...
  Topic: 4:34 One aspect of husband/wife relations
rowlandm

Replies: 18
Views: 42312

PostForum: Class Discussion   Posted: Mon 27 Nov, 2006 11:29 pm   Subject: 4:34 One aspect of husband/wife relations
Actually, got a couple of more questions/clarifications I didn't think of before, mainly to do with Ahmed's comments here:



rowlandm wrote:
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  Topic: 4:34 One aspect of husband/wife relations
rowlandm

Replies: 18
Views: 42312

PostForum: Class Discussion   Posted: Sun 26 Nov, 2006 10:08 am   Subject: 4:34 One aspect of husband/wife relations
Thanks for that Ahmed,

Finally, obviously the definition of the level of behaviour that is considered "ill-conduct" is based on the Quran. From your understanding of the Quran what would be some e ...
  Topic: Does anyone lose faith sometimes.....
rowlandm

Replies: 14
Views: 14768

PostForum: Bring it on   Posted: Sun 26 Nov, 2006 12:24 am   Subject: Does anyone lose faith sometimes.....
just debating religions with the athiest losers is nothing but a total waste of time, therefore the atheist should get out of it and leave religions to those who believe in it to sort it out between t ...
  Topic: Does anyone lose faith sometimes.....
rowlandm

Replies: 14
Views: 14768

PostForum: Bring it on   Posted: Sat 25 Nov, 2006 11:40 pm   Subject: Does anyone lose faith sometimes.....
Hi Dre,

I really wanted to highlight that religion, belief and faith is about accepting something without having 100% concrete proof (like Allah having a nice chat with you while he flys you around ...
  Topic: 4:34 One aspect of husband/wife relations
rowlandm

Replies: 18
Views: 42312

PostForum: Class Discussion   Posted: Sat 25 Nov, 2006 10:57 pm   Subject: 4:34 One aspect of husband/wife relations
Ahmed,

From the very little that I know of you, I would find it difficult to believe that you would resort to any kind of physical violence against your wife, given that you would only beat her if ...
  Topic: 4:34 One aspect of husband/wife relations
rowlandm

Replies: 18
Views: 42312

PostForum: Class Discussion   Posted: Sat 25 Nov, 2006 10:47 pm   Subject: 4:34 One aspect of husband/wife relations
rowlandm wrote:
and cause I know you have already debated 4:34 it might be a good start.


great, I actually copied the debate to my web site forum so you can pick it up from there and IÃ???????Ã? ...
  Topic: 4:34 One aspect of husband/wife relations
rowlandm

Replies: 18
Views: 42312

PostForum: Class Discussion   Posted: Sat 25 Nov, 2006 10:45 pm   Subject: 4:34 One aspect of husband/wife relations
This was taken from two PMs between myself and Ahmed and was moved to this forum for easier access


If you are keen I have a few questions already, and cause I know you have already debated 4:34 ...
 
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