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I want to reply to this one too
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@ I really dont know why they removed the alif, however I read in the past (many years ago) that it can be written with Alif, I will try to find it for you, this is like Ya Allah, and Yallah
It will be better when there is a definite explanation as to why the alif is missing in 'bism' Allah.
The Quran grammar in general does not follow the man made grammar rules, so you might say why it is not the case with the word Allah then? Which is a good point of course. I say because all other names like Aziz, Al-Aziz, Rahim, Al-Rahim, etc etc are consistent with the man made rules, in fact the man made grammar rules were invented based on the Quran, that is why the Quran sometimes violates it, because the Quran did not come with grammar explanation. This tells me that Allah is a unique word that is even different to all other names from which you can remove the Al and still be used with Allah, only Allah is the one word for which if you remove the Al, you end up with non sensible word, Lah. (and I mean word, not root) _________________ http://free-islam.com
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I am repeating this because you might miss it as we posted at almost the same time, and this one got stuck on the previous page:
I think this will help us resolve some misunderstanding, brother. What do you mean by 'god' when you say "grammatically, Ilah should refer to any god".
I ask this because I think now I understand where we are not looking eye to eye.
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Mon 22 Feb, 2010 7:01 pm
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@ Fine, but the Quran also used the word to refer to other man made gods
The Quran employs the word to tell the disbelievers that they are wrong, brother. It tells them they have taken as aalihatan others than Allah, for which they have no authority, and have invented falsehood. It is condemning them, not endorsing its usage.
These, our people, have chosen (other) aalihatan beside Him though they bring no clear warrant (vouchsafed) to them. And who doth greater wrong than he who inventeth a lie concerning Allah?
It's like the words "Allah is third of three" being found in the Quran. The words are present in the Quran, but the Quran doesn't endorse them.
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The wrote:
I am repeating this because you might miss it as we posted at almost the same time, and this one got stuck on the previous page:
I think this will help us resolve some misunderstanding, brother. What do you mean by 'god' when you say "grammatically, Ilah should refer to any god".
I ask this because I think now I understand where we are not looking eye to eye.
I mean that the word mean any god real or man made, only the context of its sentence should determine which god we are talking about, real or man made
However for a believer like you or me, we know well that there is no other god than Allah, but that does not in anyway invalidate any context of using the word to refer to any man made and imaginary god, the Quran used the word Ilah and its plural Aliha many times to refer to man made gods or imaginary gods
in fact, the arabic word Al-Ilah can never be understood to refer to the one and only God unless it is put in such context or just taken for granted by believers like you and me that it means The Only God
Howveer using the word Allah alone clearly and explicitly if used by me, you or any kafir, it means the unique name of the God of the Quran, about Whom the Quran says He is the Only Ilah _________________ http://free-islam.com
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Mon 22 Feb, 2010 7:17 pm
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@ I mean that the word mean any god real or man made, only the context of its sentence should determine which god we are talking about, real or man made
I can understand the real 'god,' but how can there be a man-made 'god'? A man-made god is simply a falsehood. Refer to my post above, buddy.
@ However for a believer like you or me, we know well that there is no other god than Allah, but that does not in anyway invalidate any context of using the word to refer to any man made and imaginary god, the Quran used the word Ilah and its plural Aliha many times to refer to man made gods or imaginary gods
Refer to my post above.
@ in fact, the arabic word Al-Ilah can never be understood to refer to the one and only God unless it is put in such context or just taken for granted by believers like you and me that it means The Only God
I don't know what you mean by that. When Allah says He Alone is Ilah, then Ilah can only be understood to refer to Him.
@ Howveer using the word Allah alone clearly and explicitly if used by me, you or any kafir, it menas the God of the Quran, about which the Quran says He is the Only Ilah
Many Christians use the word to refer to 'Allah' in their Bible, who has a son. Likewise the Pagans also used Allah to refer to the one who they believed has daughters. So that's incorrect, brother.
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Mon 22 Feb, 2010 7:31 pm
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@ I mean that the word mean any god real or man made, only the context of its sentence should determine which god we are talking about, real or man made
I can understand the real 'god,' but how can there be a man-made 'god'? A man-made god is simply a falsehood. Refer to my post above, buddy.
Why read it again? I already read it
It seems you get that if the word Ilah is used to refer to a man made god or an imaginary god, then that god exists?
This is silly, man
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@ However for a believer like you or me, we know well that there is no other god than Allah, but that does not in anyway invalidate any context of using the word to refer to any man made and imaginary god, the Quran used the word Ilah and its plural Aliha many times to refer to man made gods or imaginary gods
Refer to my post above.
But the problem is at your end by thinking that by using the word Ilah to refer to false gods, it means that those gods exist
I really donot know how to solve such problem of yours
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@ in fact, the arabic word Al-Ilah can never be understood to refer to the one and only God unless it is put in such context or just taken for granted by believers like you and me that it means The Only God
I don't know what you mean by that. When Allah says He Alone is Ilah, then Ilah can only be understood to refer to Him.
See how the problem is at your end, well I know that as a believer but the same One and Only God referred to those man made gods using the word Ilah
If you have a problem with that, then you should have a problem with the Quran
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@ Howveer using the word Allah alone clearly and explicitly if used by me, you or any kafir, it menas the God of the Quran, about which the Quran says He is the Only Ilah
Many Christians use the word to refer to 'Allah' in their Bible, who has a son. Likewise the Pagans also used Allah to refer to the one who they believed has daughters. So that's incorrect, brother.
That is why the Quarn replied to them and accused them of being kafirs, this is because they talk about Allah, i.e. the nae of the God of the Quran, i.e. the One and Only God, had they say that jesus (who is their manmade god) had a son, the Quran would not have cared, because they are not talking about Allah _________________ http://free-islam.com
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Mon 22 Feb, 2010 7:42 pm
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@That is why the Quarn replied to them and accused them of being kafirs, this is because they talk about Allah
Then why did you claim that even if a "kafir" uses the word Allah he is referring to God of Quran? Your claim was erroneous.
I could hardly make anything of the rest of what you posted, buddy.
I will leave it at this: Anybody who says that Allah or Ilah can refer to other than God is a disbeliever and has invented a falsehood.
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